Bungi Bill

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  When will world realize zero population growth?

  by N.drew in

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  metatron in your opinion do you think the world will see it soon?

  how soon?.

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  Bungi Bill

  New agricultural land is still being brought into production in this part of the world.

  I have just returned from a visit to the West Coast of New Zealand's South Island, where land is now being "broken in" that, in my youth, would have been written off as forever useless:

  - semi swamp land, with highly acidic soil and covered mainly in noxious weeds and second growth podocarp forest (known by the Maori word "pakihi.")

  To turn this into productive dairy farming land requires a huge investment - firstly in earthworks (a technique known as "humping and hollowing"), then massive and repeated application of fertilizers for up to ten years in a row.

  Yet, such is the demand for dairy products - both now and anticipated - that investors are prepared to go to these lengths in order to bring new dairy farming land into production.

  Bill.
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  When will world realize zero population growth?

  by N.drew in

  1. social
  2. current

  metatron in your opinion do you think the world will see it soon?

  how soon?.

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  Bungi Bill
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  Atheists..... throwing the baby out with the bath water ?

  by snare&racket in

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  this saying permeates this forum with higher frequency than most.

  despite being an open atheist amongst lots of religious people in my life, i have never been accused of doing this and i have never heard this saying attributed to my choice... appart from here.. i thought it would be best to clarify why i (and i assume others) decided to leave the bible behind after leaving the wt society.. realising the wt society was wrong desroyed my world, for me it meant so much.

  i had given so much to it too, it just had to be true!

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  Bungi Bill

  One thing that the JWs did get right is the statement that 'Religion is a Snare and a Racket."

  Of course, as somebody has already pointed out, J.F. Rutherord was either unable or unwilling to realize that this applied just as much to his religion as it did to all others.

  Bill.
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  Atheists..... throwing the baby out with the bath water ?

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this saying permeates this forum with higher frequency than most.

  despite being an open atheist amongst lots of religious people in my life, i have never been accused of doing this and i have never heard this saying attributed to my choice... appart from here.. i thought it would be best to clarify why i (and i assume others) decided to leave the bible behind after leaving the wt society.. realising the wt society was wrong desroyed my world, for me it meant so much.

  i had given so much to it too, it just had to be true!

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  Bungi Bill

  Metatron,

  This is an extremely interesting subject to expand on, and also a matter of critical importance. However, it is something properly for discussion on another thread, not on this one (lest we get accused by snare&racket of "bumping"!).

  Bill.
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  Atheists..... throwing the baby out with the bath water ?

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this saying permeates this forum with higher frequency than most.

  despite being an open atheist amongst lots of religious people in my life, i have never been accused of doing this and i have never heard this saying attributed to my choice... appart from here.. i thought it would be best to clarify why i (and i assume others) decided to leave the bible behind after leaving the wt society.. realising the wt society was wrong desroyed my world, for me it meant so much.

  i had given so much to it too, it just had to be true!

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  Bungi Bill

  The matter of energy sources is completely off-topic, and deserves a thread of its own.

  Suffice, though, to quote a common saying in Western Colorado (the site of major deposits of oil shale) "Oil shale is the fuel of the future - and always will be."

  As for controlled nuclear fusion, this had already been achieved before I started high school (which wasn't exactly yesterday!). The problem was then - and still is now - that the process used more energy than it released. (Uncontrolled nuclear fusion, in the form of the Hydrogen Bomb, has of course been around since the early 1950s).

  No more of this, though, unless somebody wants to kick off a separate thread on the topic of energy sources!

  Bill.
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  Kingdom Hall Spankings

  by JH in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  most meetings i went to, children were brought to the washrooms in the back to be disciplined.

  often i could hear a child yell or cry due to the spanking given by the parent.

  people in the hall would have that look on their face meaning that it was alright to discipline a child by spanking him.

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  Bungi Bill

  It is a big enough ask to expect an adult to sit still for two hours through one of their mind-numbing meetings. To demand that small children do the same is as inhumane as it is just plain bloody stupid!

  Yet they still had the gall to print a book in the late 1970s entitled "Making your Family Life Happy."

  I suddenly feel very sick - got to hastily leave my PC now and make a bee line for the bathroom!

  Bill.

  PS: Puke!
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  Atheists..... throwing the baby out with the bath water ?

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this saying permeates this forum with higher frequency than most.

  despite being an open atheist amongst lots of religious people in my life, i have never been accused of doing this and i have never heard this saying attributed to my choice... appart from here.. i thought it would be best to clarify why i (and i assume others) decided to leave the bible behind after leaving the wt society.. realising the wt society was wrong desroyed my world, for me it meant so much.

  i had given so much to it too, it just had to be true!

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  Bungi Bill

  snare&racket,

  Your whole experience - and the conclusions that you arrived at - are very similar to mine on this matter. The only major difference was in the order that those conclusions were arrived at;

  i.e. Before contact with the JWs, I had seriously questioned the relevance of religion, but thought that the Witnesses were somehow different.

  Bill.
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  Why is it that serious /important topics seem to be overlooked and fluffy inconsequential topics get all the attention

  by smiddy in

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  just curious .

  smiddy.

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  Bungi Bill

  The same thing also applies to the media:

  - which is why I seldom watch the TV news, and long ago gave up reading newspapers.

  Bill.
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  What does "everlasting life" mean?

  by N.drew in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  john 3:16. i'll just say that the way i understand it is i am existing in it, it is not existing in me.. 166 (ai?nios) does not focus on the future per se, but rather on the quality of the age (165 /ai?n) it relates to.

  thus believers live in "eternal (166 /ai?nios) life" right now, experiencing this quality of god's life now as a present possession.

  (note the gk present tense of having eternal life in jn 3:36, 5:24, 6:47; cf.

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  Bungi Bill

  Vanderhoven7,

  My use of the expression "too late" referred to the Methodist minister's intervention;

  - i.e. this proved to be a little too late to prevent me from becoming ensnared by the JW religion.

  Bill.
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  What does "everlasting life" mean?

  by N.drew in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  john 3:16. i'll just say that the way i understand it is i am existing in it, it is not existing in me.. 166 (ai?nios) does not focus on the future per se, but rather on the quality of the age (165 /ai?n) it relates to.

  thus believers live in "eternal (166 /ai?nios) life" right now, experiencing this quality of god's life now as a present possession.

  (note the gk present tense of having eternal life in jn 3:36, 5:24, 6:47; cf.

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  Bungi Bill

  I seem to remember some Bible translations rendering the term as "abundant life."

  When I first entered into the JW Indoctrination Program that they like to call a "Free Home Bible Study", a Methodist Minister came around to try and talk some sense into me. One of the things he emphasized was this:

  - upon "taking Jesus Christ into ones life", a person there and then receives abundant life.

  Unfortunately for me, it was already to late to register!

  Bill.